yourunichase: (considering)
Miss Parker ([personal profile] yourunichase) wrote2011-07-24 12:00 pm

Considerations.

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You know, I fucking hate warden politics. I try to stay out of this shit as much as I can but there are somethings I just can't let go on. For those of you who don't know, I was an inmate before I was a warden, [Like that wasn't evident in your last post, Parker.] and because of that, I find myself on one side of an issue more often than not. I've been holding onto this post for people to cool the fuck off, including me, but now I think it's really important and we need to talk about this.

My point from before still stands: there needs to be a fucking line somewhere. This point isn't about Nygma, and it's not about Snape, Mozenarth, Shego or anyone else involved with that incident. I am speaking now about a general fucking issue: invasion of inmate's privacy. I'm not just talking about rooms, I'm talking about filters, and I'm talking about people's very fucking minds.

I'm not talking about the personal-one-on-one warden-inmate relationship. I know not all tactics are going to fucking work on all inmates, and there are some who will need special circumstances. This isn't about that. This is about another warden becoming involved in the situation. When someone else does this to your inmate, it undermines the very thing that makes the Barge work. And it does work--you have fucking people here who showed just how much it works. Me talking to right the fuck now is proof that it does.

I'm also not saying that there shouldn't be some sort of peer review in the case of extreme circumstances someone's own inmate. Abuse, sexual relationships, violence, all of these things are things that wardens shouldn't do to their inmates. People should be shut down over that shit, and it shouldn't be one fucking person to do it. It should be us, working together as much as we fucking can.

I'm not an idiot. I know we suck at this sort of thing. But allowing precedent for this sort of thing is bullshit. We all know that if we let it stand, then some asshole is going to come along and do it again. And so it goes and so it goes until none of the inmates feel safe. And then it'll start on the wardens and people will be accused of defending their inmates which is what they fucking should be doing. It's what we all should be doing. Don't let this fucking stand.

We can't demote people. The Admiral is the only person who can fucking do that, and we know that he doesn't listen to us. But it is in our right to use other things we can do. We can call for a vote of no confidence in Edward Ngyma. What this would mean is that we don't accept him as a warden. I sure the fuck don't. His actions were what created this situation, and he screwed up. He should be punished for it, and we shouldn't rubber stamp shit because we're tired, or we're sick of this, or we want things to go back to normal. Fuck that. Let's all do our jobs here. Let's do our duties to our inmates.

[Bad Ass Women's filter+Everyone Parker's ever drank/played poker with. If you think you're on there, you probably are. People especially on there: Cooper, Sirius, Tosh.]

I don't know about you guys, but I could use a game of cards. And a fucking barrel of scotch. Anyone interested?

Robes, if you cheat, I'm going to shoot you in the foot. [Admission she's staying.]

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Atia wants to work there. She's going to be a fucking pain in the ass and I'm sorry for it. You're going to need to watch her like a hawk, but she needs to learn compassion from somewhere.

If she gets too bitchy, schedule her for mornings and I'll come in and do it with her. Fuck.

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[identity profile] greatlightother.livejournal.com 2011-07-24 04:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Depending on who is going, I would be okay with that.

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[identity profile] thebestnose.livejournal.com 2011-07-24 04:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Fuck, um, politics. No one ever gets it right.

I'll play, but why do you need a barrel of scotch?

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[identity profile] hopeless-hacker.livejournal.com 2011-07-24 04:37 pm (UTC)(link)
A vote of no confidence against any Warden would be ineffective. We can't realistically take anything from him that the Admiral gives to all of us. People who don't trust him any more will refuse to help him or acknowledge him even if there isn't a vote, and people who do won't be swayed by a majority opinion.

If anyone is going to be looking for punishment for anything Nygma did, then it should be Snape or Mozenrath. Although I don't know the full situation, I don't understand why either of them indulged his investigation to the point of making private filters available to the Wardens, or submitted to anything more invasive. They both had the choice to refuse all of his requests for more information.

Besides which, we aren't a prosecution service. We can't seek punishment on behalf of the Barge as a whole when we have no definition of right and wrong beyond the absolute basics. If the actual victims consider the matter over, as far as I'm concerned, it's over. I don't want to be accused of rubber stamping anything, but I will respect that decision.

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[personal profile] i_like_your 2011-07-24 05:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Agreed.

Collective acknowledgement changes nothing. Wardens subject to this procedure would suffer no change in status or access.

Only a uniformly acknowledged - and enforced - command structure has consequence.

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[personal profile] subtlescience 2011-07-24 04:45 pm (UTC)(link)
You understand, Parker, that I must refrain from comment on this matter.

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But well said.

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[identity profile] rass-bestie.livejournal.com 2011-07-24 05:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't believe giving Nygma the proverbial 'cold shoulder' is really going to help the situation.

But you're right about having to protect the inmates from the degree of harassment that Mozenrath endured. We should be allowed, if agreed upon by the warden population (or at best, given how this system works, no objections) to restrict access of the offender through the network.

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[Edward links to this (http://puzzleprince.livejournal.com/25306.html) entry, but doesn't say a word, otherwise.]
acid_rayne: (Art - Sit)

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[personal profile] acid_rayne 2011-07-24 05:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Alright.
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[personal profile] paradoxlol 2011-07-24 06:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Look, I get that he fucked up. I get that it looks bad to inmates.

But I'm absolutely against a vote of no confidence here. If Nygma's still recognized as a warden by the Admiral, then we need to respect that. Unnecessarily isolating him, keeping him out of the loop, makes it more difficult for him to do the job he's here for. It hurts his inmate.

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[identity profile] gotgreenmagic.livejournal.com 2011-07-24 06:58 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm still a little bit...painkillers'd for drinking and strategy right now, but thanks for offering. Raincheck?
una_persson: (facepalm)

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[personal profile] una_persson 2011-07-24 07:18 pm (UTC)(link)
God, yes. I'm in.
most_feared: please don't use, i paid for these (k - spectral analyzer)

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[personal profile] most_feared 2011-07-24 07:34 pm (UTC)(link)
[He's avoiding this other matter like the plague.]

I'm in.

....If that robes comment is for Narvin he only has one set now.

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[identity profile] naughtbutlife.livejournal.com 2011-07-24 07:36 pm (UTC)(link)
A game of cards sounds a satisfactory diversion.

[identity profile] gotgirlballs.livejournal.com 2011-07-24 08:59 pm (UTC)(link)
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Y'know, I was pretty set on not giving a shit about any of this, before Nygma started trying to justify all of it and filling the network with his dumbass excuses. Every single one just made it more obvious that he seriously screwed up. Even I wouldn't have gone as far as he did--not anymore, anyway. TL;DR version: Basically, I agree.

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You know I want in.

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Don't worry about it. I'll keep her ass in line.
fuckyoucynthia: (IT'S MY PARTY AND I'LL CRY IF I WANT TO)

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[personal profile] fuckyoucynthia 2011-07-24 09:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Get whiskey and I'm in.

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[Chang is in a good enough mood that, eh, why not.] Have you tried blood wine?

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[personal profile] bitnotgood 2011-07-24 10:07 pm (UTC)(link)
A question about your inmate - is there a chance that she might harm the patients?

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[identity profile] sirius-is-a-dog.livejournal.com 2011-07-25 03:43 am (UTC)(link)
I can't bloody drink because of this con-whatever head rubbish I have going on, but I love cards.

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I have to ask you about Rex sometime.

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